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September 10, 2010, 06:50:48 AM

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Jeff,
Would love to hear about it. Although as you know I won't be able to resist critiquing what you present. But then that's what debate is all about.

I could care less if someone wants to smoke the crap, it's the actions they take while under the influence. Often, users steal, rob,& mob to get funds for it.

I could care less if you sit home smoking whateverall day. But when you get in a car, you put others in harms way.

It's not about the drug but the actions taken to acquire it and the actions done while using.

I don't think it is illegal to be under the influence of crystal meth. As long as, you don't posess it, you don't operate a motor vehicle, sell it.

It's legal to sit at home stoned. It's just illegal to get stoned.

loners4me,

Why do they "steal, rob"? Is it because it's illegal and therefore expensive? If it wasn't expensive and they could stay home stoned, do you thing they would be doing such things. And what is "mob"?

In harms way? I was not aware of any increases in accidents by drug users, could you point me to some statistics please, because the only thing I've ever seen is the propaganda by "Law Enforcement" and a criminal Presidency who have promoted the wives tale of dangerous drivers on drugs.

Personally I'm more concerned about the Supper Sizer who just got all sugared up at the local McFat and is nodding off as they drive. Or the pharmaceutical junkie supplied by their local doctor/drug dealer who is nearly crazy with their new doseage and has the mental concentration of a 2 year old. These are the folks who kill on a regular basis, not someone who is cranking away to make it through the 2nd job hours.

And why is it that our military people can have it to keep them going in their work but we can't?

Quote from: Penteller on May 18, 2007, 12:00:56 PM

Jeff,
Would love to hear about it. Although as you know I won't be able to resist critiquing what you present. But then that's what debate is all about.

Pen,

Oh I am CERTAIN you would love hearing my "solution" to the scrounge of the drug dealers but unfortunately I know it would never be allowed to be read here on the forum. Use your vivid imagination, the same imagination that is so prevalent in many of your paranoid ramblings. Does Charles Bronson ring a bell? Suffice it to say that I would eliminate the need for a costly jury trial and incarceration periods for the "unfortunate" mopes who had the misfortune to be caught dealing their deadly drugs. I would most likely exclude marijuana though as I do not consider it the scrounge that I consider other more insidious substances. I in my secret mind of minds would probably even give thought to legalizing that particular weed. I say probably because I still can't make up my mind about it one way or another about it;s value or it's detriment. In Viet Nam it was simply a way to wind down after a hard day at the "office" and it's affects always made everyone I saw smoke it extremely happy and relaxed, not ill tempered, out of control, abusive or argumentative like so many of todays mixtures do.
While I was at it I would include adults who murder children in my previously stated sentencing guidelines also. We could call it FINAL SOLUTION #TWO. As for your critiques, actually I rather look forward to them because debate as you stated, IS indeed what forums like this are all about.

Jeff,

When has any law "stopped" anything? Would love to know of an instance.

There are thousands of "legal" drug dealers who have helped create a consumer based medical system that is now collapsing because of their gross profiteering. Profiteering at the expense of the those who can least afford, medicines that cause greater side effects that require greater numbers of pills that let people brag about how many they must take each day.

What kind of social costs does that incur and who should be held accountable for such fraud (newer medicines are not as affective as older cheaper medicines no longer prescirbed because Doctors don't get perks from the drug cartels.)

If you de-criminalize drugs and make it a mental/medical health issue, you immediately change the dynamics. No longer does it cost 40k a year to keep someone in prison who is a user, they can either get better through treatment or die from over doses - either way it's a savings. No longer are friends and family so handicapped to help, because to help is not to involve "Law Enforcement" but to help them get the help they need.

Legalized and tax it, use the revenue to support health care and you reduce our burden on our taxes by reducing the prison populating by 80%, crime by god knows how much because you can kill yourself with pure drugs cheaply if you want and increase our economy through medical profit based spending.

It just amazes me how people believe that "Law Enforcement" improves societies. Why can't people understand that crime exists regardless of the laws passed, it is only through peer pressure that civilizations thrive. Butchering people who are practicing "capitalistic free market" work, will solve nothing except to drive the prices even higher and the drugs more pure.

It's what has occurred over the last 30 years and shows no sign of stopping.

Although the distribution system has become highly refined with established groups and procedures that according to some experts has lead to even greater reductions in price and rises in purity in established drugs and markets.

Also, there is no greater danger in one drug or another. It's propaganda pure and simple by those who wish to control the masses through fear. Every new drug has been "the" most dangerous. Just rent "Reffer Madness" and see what I mean, because your view of Jay is way out of tune according to the Government's propaganda film of its day.